All of the cases are horrendous and designed to be that way, to keep the people confused and deceived so they don't know where to fight back. I am glad you asked about the Oregon courts, and I hope that people will study the following as though their lives depended on it, because they DO ! I am sending this out to the list so others can also benefit from the information. Everyone who reads this must realize that we speak from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. These are not "ideas" that we have about the courts, but facts and every fact is supported by years of undisputed court Records, establishing these statements as legal fact. Every piece is so critical to understand to avoid the trap set for us upon ANY encounter with a "public servant/mandatory reporter/Community Family Police". You have to realize that preconceived ideas like constitutional courts and honest judges have to be overcome, as this is not the reality whatsoever......Many advocates know the "law" and what is supposed to be in place - what we are sharing is a process to maneuver through the minefield of the CORRUPT court process, the rendering machine. We liken the courthouses today to pirate ships that have seized the "ship of state" from the People. It is SO BAD - like a horror movie, where behind every door another rape of another family is taking place.

The first thing everyone needs to do in their cases is always the same. They need to write their facts out chronologically and state everything that has happened to them. Generally they tell us three hours of facts and then say that none of their facts have gone into the Record - usually blocked by their own attorney or the judge. Then they need to write a Demand for Discovery, and get all their documents. This is NOT the court Record, although that is part of it. The discovery is all the caseworker notes, reports, all communications about you and your children - then the person can start building their own case to defend themselves.

For four years as we have been learning the CORRUPT methods of these so-called courts, we have shared the process we are using to get around the ways they exploit you in the courtroom, your own attorney as well as the agency. They have ONE goal, and it is MONEY. It is called "best interest of the court" and "best interest of the child" and interest means money they can make and profit to their federal funding streams. THAT IS ALL.

People have to really get it thtough their heads that the court and agency DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACTS ....... they will keep the families all defensive "I did not do that" , or "so and so is lying" , or "I really am a good parent" whatever.....they will dredge up anything you ever did in your life, or even extended family members..... no end to the schemes this agency will use to prevail and build the facade of a case to justify their sucking at the teat of a socialist corporate agenda being run by federal funding streams.

I say they "throw a wad of crap and see what sticks" at vulnerable families who cannot defend themselves, for profit. This is what we call "keeping you in the peripheries" and off the track of what is REALLY going on in that courtroom. Everyone but you works for the state or is subcontracted by the state ...... they ALL have a profit motive and conflict of interest.....and their only concern is the system, not you...... you are assesed as to how much they can make off of you by compelling contracts (illegal) against you using your children as the hostage.

They have plans then "concurrent plans" for you and your family once you encouter the "Family Police" in any way, at birth in the hospital assessment, in pre school at the Head Start assessemnt, in School with the "counsellor" assessments....on and on..... all these databases...... SO - one of the first things is YOU DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING ........ You need to understand that these "courts" are "guilty" courts. Everyone who walks in is under the "implied consent" that you agreed to be there, and when you say you "understand" why you are there, you just REALLY said "I STAND UNDER WITH YOU IN AGREEMENT" even though you never meant any such thing. It is ALL FRAUD and DECEPTION.

Now - has anyone been CHARGED with a crime? If you are in juvenile court, no one has been reall "charged" - they call it "allegations" and "indicated" and all kinds of non legal terms to make you THINK you have been charged, and often they threaten to bring charges to terrorize the parents and make the family comply with their service agreements, or admit to plea bargains admitting "offences" they never even committed, scared to death to lose their children.

Let me give you an example. You are in court. The caseworker says "Mr. so and so has been known to take drugs, and in my OPINION 9they use opinions instead of Law).... has a drug PROBLEM and is UNFIT....... now - alot of peoplee right away ger defensive and say "I only took drugs once when I was a teenager" or "I only had DUI once" or whatever. If you do this, now you have opened yoursefl up to exploitation and have self incriminated yourself. A good lawyer (there are none taht we have met in four years of this) would object a that point and here is the PROPER response ---- 'I OBJECT - HAS ANYONE BEEN CHARGED WITH A DRUG RELATED CRIME HERE?" The judge says "no" - and you say "then there is no relevant standing for that information to come in. And the whole discussion of "drug problems" is dropped, as it should be. Do you see the difference? They have to charge you with a crime to give them any jurisdiction to ask you anything, much less to seize from you your children, property, whatever - fines, restrictions, evaluations..... ALL BUNK and unless they have charged you with a crime related to such questions, THEY CANT.

NOW - the thing you mustrealize is that you are NOT IN A COURT - here is what the Oregon Attorney General called a juvenile proceeding recently in our paperwork - "a quasi-judicial administrative proceeding"......they KNOW it is not a court. Here is the dialogue we have used many times in these tribunals - my husband, 75 years old, says "Am I a juvenile?" "Has my child committed a crime?" Then how is it that I am an adult, charged with no crime, my child charged with no crime, yet I am here being rendered and destroyed in a juvenile court? One judge, a snarling dragon of a judge, told us once on the Record after being asked these questions "YOU ARE IN JUVENILE COURT. THERE ARE NO CHARGES. THERE ARE NO DEFENDANTS. THERE ARE NO JURIES" And we responded "yes - and what kind of sham is that ??????" (We later Citizens arrested Avera on the Record on Sept. 30, 1999 for Treason and Misprison of Felony, and are still awaiting prosecution. At this time there is NO ANSWER YET at any level, including the Oregon Supreme Court)

IT IS ALL FRAUD. If you have not been charged - lawfull warrant, grand jury indictment, probable cause and affidavits of probable cause of a crime from the County DA Office, and that there is a victim and a crime AGAINST THE CHILD - AND AGAISNT THIS PARTICULAR CHILD (They are taking them off the breast at the hospitals if you have ever lost any child to the state, you lose every future one - that is another way they are getting parents to "voluntaryily' sign over their newborns - they come in at birth with their "risk factor" list and tell the young mother " we see you are single/poor/disabled/abused as a child/have alot of children already/deemed unfit for any reason/on and on and on......" if we take this baby without your consent, we will terminate parental rights (in a ten minute proceeding within a month or two) on a fast track (they get the most money) and you will lose automatically every child you have in the future - no matter how your life may change or the circumstances. NOW - if you VOLUNTEER and SIGN HERE and give us the baby and take parenting/drug/mental health/personality programs/on and on and on. ...... then we won't automatically remove your future children.....so, terrified, drugged, just given birth, they sign the paper .....the state even puts ankle bracelets now on the babies that if the parents try to take the child the whole hospital locks down with prison secutiry systems and all the doors lock down. It is BEYOND BELIEF what is happening as this PEDOPHILE GOVERNOR JOHN KITZHABER is KNOWING LY protecting this agenda and is right at this moment pushing the "Childrens Plan" and the IInfant First! Database" to database and seize and control every newborn in Oregon "at risk" to state kidnapping.

There has to be a CRIME against the child, and a Lawfull prosecution and Petition in the circuit court. If you are in "juvenile court", then you are in an administrative corporate jurisdiction where your children are called a commodity and the STATE is the parent. You have to go in and stand on your SOVEREIGN RIGHTS - Sui Juris - means "In my own Right" - you eat your own food, you think your own thoughts, you bear and raise your own children - no "representative" can do this for you.......and the bar judges and attorneys and agencies are the ones who wrote the script they are using to destroy you.

We have put this information into a book now, on our website www.avoiceforchildren.com or at the above e-mail address - the Sui Juris book tells the people the pitfalls that they can expect, and forms for them to write their own papers and intervene in their cases and excercise their Sovereign Rights, at least to know what they are! Then they can see the ways they are being violated and not tolerate it in the courtroom.

It is REALLY SUCH UNBELIEVABLE FRAUD. Please understand, they are all actors with scripted parts. YOU are the "unknowing" guest - when you go in and you see the judge and the DA "Mr. so and so, and you brought this motion, Mr. So and so -" all pretentious - they usually all know each other - and they are bad actors, telling lies. Routinely, they accuse someone, they take a child, THEN they build a case against them. Huge numbers of prisoners have never had a trial ! And in 98% of the child services cases, no one is charged with any crime !!!! Bottom line, we the People now are onto them that STATUTES ARE NOT LAW and are arbitrary tribunals for the agencys, no more, to implement and enforce their services agreements.

We tell them where to shove their "services agreements". DO NOT 'AGREE' WITH ANYTHING !!!!! Demand a TRIAL BY JURY !!!! Demand your RIGHTS !!!! They are terminating patental rights for NON COMPLIANCE - not for any real crime or Lawfull reason. Demand the judge to show you the WRITTEN AFFIDAVIT OF REASONABLE EFFORT MADE NOT TO REMOVE YOUR CHILDREN...... They HAVE to produce this, to get their Federal money. Yoou ahve to ask them on the Record to produce this and state how you know they have to produce this to get their money and tell them if they can't you are going to bring charges against them for federal money FRAUD. Watch them get beet red, yell at you, possibly arrest you - and if they do, it is the BEST thing that could happen - you get a JURY TRIAL if they do retaliate and arrest you ...... and you will plead your case in a jury trial now, in the Circuit Court where Rules of Evidence Apply. Another thing - do NOT talk to these people anymore !!! Outside of cordial meeting arrangements, etc, - DO NOT SPEAK TO ANYONE ANYMORE OFF THE RECORD. LEARN TO TELL THEM IF THEY CALL THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IT IN WRITING AND HANG UP. YOU HAVE TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN WRITING.......

They terrorize and bribe the parents with all these "evaluations" but in truth, especially if no evidence of any crime exists, they HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ANY OF THESE CONTRACTS ON YOU...... BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY NO TO IT AND BE WILLING TO DEAL WITH THE REPURCUSSIONS WHEN THEY THREATEN AND ATTACK YOU.....You have to STATE IT ON THE RECORD - "By what authority do you compel contracts on a free Natural Person. I am NOT a corporation, nor did I EVER knowingly agree with any contract except by birthright I have ONE compact, with the Oregon and US Constitutions. Is this a Constitutional Court of Judicial Due Process? " WORD FOR WORD THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BE SAYING, AND NO ATTORNEY WILL SAY IT FOR YOU. . Also, it is all in QUESTIONS - you don't make statements about what they do - you form it into Questions - "Isn't it a fact you did this or that" and "By what authority did you do this or that"...... you have to make THEM answer, and I can telll you from personal experience for countless hearings and trials, they CANNOT and DO NOT have any defense. They are only getting away with this by sheer terrorism, coersion and fear in the minds of the People.

You can bend over and cry while you and your family are raped, if you comply with their compromises, and your children see you compromising with this perversion - OR - you can stand up to the lies and abuse and your children see you standing up to it, at least...... we see so many families who do programs after programs, for years, never get their children back...... with the agency it is always a "new petition" or "new concerns" or you did not complete one class of some program or a payment of fines -- ALL OUTLAW AND ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL COMPELLED CONTRACTS UNDER DURESS !!!!! But again, YOU have to say NO !!!!!

Here is how deceptive it is...... when a person does not say NO to the outlaw demands of teh judge and agency, it goes into the court as "voluntary agreement". They word it "uncompliant" if you refuse..... Now - we watch for years as these perverts come into the Senate hearings and testify "we never took one baby that it was not voluntary" and ""we have never gone itnto one home that we were not invited".....THAT is the bull crap that they are saying about all of us....... Did you know that even in their own unconstitutional statutes in Oregon, 419.(023?) says "children not to be removed over objections of parents"......USE THAT IN YOUR CASE.......

Here are some main points - if they are proceeding against you - that you MUST confront ON THE RECORD - IN THE COURTROOM - If they have not charged anyone with a crime - No Jurisdiction. If they have not produced all discovery in the casefile - cannot proceed. If they are trying to force attorneys and state doctors on you - NO - do not even think your own private doctor reports - they will disregard anything that conflicts with their casefile.

This is why the discovery is so critical to building your defense and the core of the Freedom of Information Act - they create the "appearance" of a casefile - absolute lies are in every case, and the people do not know these lies are there to confront them or their accusers (your constitutional Right) and the court knows what the People do not realize - that anything in a court Record that is undisputed becomes legal fact - and then even if you appeal the judges decision when he finds against you for the STATE every time, you will have nothing to appeal because you did not dispute their lies on the Record when you had the chance.

I am attaching another article I wrote a few days ago that went to a larger list, having to do with the courts - all of this, as I said, is in our books, and I would highly suggest getting them and telling others that we DO know what to do, but they have to do it. We have simplified a way to take over your own cases, without attorneys, or if the person is too afraid to let go of the "representative" at least they learn what their rights are and can learn to see even when their own attorneys are setting them up.

Please write back with more specific questions if you need more info...... but the basic concepts are that they are rendering families for profit - your child represents minimal $90,000. to the agency in these compelled contracts, much less the subcontractors and payoff when they adopt them out for federal money.....the money machine at work here is unbelievable, created between courts, agencies and legislators, all run by the bar attorneys and judges, all racketeering and conspiracy of multi agency shared databases and agents against you. They are covering up the horrific abuse in foster homes while they print every article to accuse parents of abuse. It is all a facade. we will help all we can. PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE - AS WE ARE LEARNING WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE AND HOW TO EXCERCISE THEM, WE ARE BRINGING FORTH REMEDY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, AS WELL AS OURSELVES...... pamela gaston, A Voice For Children

Here is the toher article - these are like "mini" versions of what is in the books....

You have raised an important issue, Barrie, that affects us all. You mention that you are going to use "assistance of counsel" and that you are going to do all the things an attorney does. I might be saying what you already know, but you have to be so careful with this in the courts. You DO know that when you sign your name to a "representative" that you are no longer a sovereign? That "pro se" means "represent yourself" which is an immpossibility - you ARE yourself, Sui Juris, sovereign. I know that the constitution says "counsel of your own choice" but I have never seen it yet in a courtroomn where to THEM it does not mean "represent". You have to really know their process in order not to fall into their trap and be prevented procedurally from making the Record and stating the TRUTH, facts that they then have to dispute.

You cannot stand as the Natural Person if you are in a representative status with any attachment to your name. A representative cannot be a sovereign, just like no one can eat your food for you or think your thoughts for you or bear your children (big issue for us child and famliy advocates).

Also, you are NOT a United States Citizen, our rights are at State Citizen level, and the federal government uses the fraud of the 14th amendment to come after a sovereign within the state through this deception. If that is not brought into your trial, you will remain a corporate entity in an administrative tribunal, which is what the District Courts are......they are courts of limited jurisdiction, not Constitutional, and again, the only way to demand that is WITHOUT a bar fly parasite appendage at your side...... you do NOT want to play their game or the issues you are confronting will NOT be addressed. No attorney will stand on the constitutional issues, as they are fully aware that this system in place right now is NOT constitutional. We are RESTORING it by making the court wherever we are a constiitutional jurisdiction......

You have to get your counterclaim affirmative defense filed, using your lawsuit to define the "collective entity" rule as your counterclaim. That must be in before any trial, and that is your defense. We have sucessfully done this and got a jury verdict that judges and officials in Oregon are guilty of racketeering and conspiracy. That is how you will make it relevant to your case and then the court will have to allow you to make your Record about the Natural Person, and won't be able to block you saying "we are only going to look at these things on this paper today and we are not going to talk about that, Mr Konicov"...... remember your appeal, and that you have every right to make that Record, only it is your job to make it relevant. NO attorney will do this, and will block you if you even take their advice they will derail this case, Barrie. Even friends who are attorneys will do this. I have watched many times that I have helped someone with their briefs, to set their facts into the Record that they have been blocked from doing in court, and they are not aware enough of what they are doing, and they take the paperwork to their attorney and the attorney guts all the important language from it and the person ends up not filing the paper in the court. We have even had attorneys file motions to supress paperwork that we had helped people with, then later they got scared and took the representative that the court keeps forcing on them at every hearing, sometimes even unlawfully ORDERING an attorney be assigned !!! The court breaks them down relentlessly, then once they get a representative, a signature, or any form of agreement, even if you say "I understand" they interpret that as "admission" and your whole defense is destroyed by your own attorney. This is TREASON to order a Sovereign to relinquish their personal sovereignty to a representative status. They know they cannot lawfully do these things, but we have yet to meet a judge who cared at all about the Law or his Oath.

Be SO careful !!!! We ALL need this Record and the courts Response. They HAVE to answer questions brought before the court, even though they don't, they know it is a violation of your rights for them not to. No attorney will even ask the jurisdiction of the court, and lawfully they cannot proceed until they have established lawfull jurisdiction for you to even be there. There is ONLY ONE LAWFULL jurisdiction for a Sovereign Free State Citizen, and that is CONSTITUTIONAL JUDICIAL DUE PROCESS. NO OTHER TITLE IS THE SAME JURISDICTION. Are you in China? El Salvador? Nazi Germany? It sure looks that way in most courtrooms we go into. What are the rules and who authorized it? The Constitution says "all authority inherent in People" - hmmmmm...... not legislators, not congress, not judges and bar members and agencies...... We have been undermined and have no rights whatsoever and no constitutional judicial due process in ANY court in America. We asked the Oregon Supreme Court last August on the Record if they were a court of Constitutional Judicial Due Process. Judge Durham stated "I cannot respond beyond saying you are in the Oregon Supreme Court"......it is a word game.......

The courts are now only tribunals for the agencies state and federal to enforce their compelled contracts and and service agreements, and the bar member attorneys and judges are the drones for the corporate harlot, all fornicating with the beast on the blood of the innocents in this rendering machine they have built fo their own profit and with their own rules.

It is all in the titles of the courts, the deceptive and vague language - but they are fully aware of the scam. It is SO VITAL that the Record reflects sovereign Natural People as you and Susan make the Record. Do NOT believe the judge or any attorney who says "oh - it is in the written motion, you do not need to speak or make an oral record" or "we do not want to say this or that in the court, it will make the judge act againsst you" or for any reason, the attorneys will destroy Sui Juris paperwork - I have seen it time and time again, and we KNOW their games !!!! we KNOW their corrupt process......READ the Sui Juris book I sent you and KNOW that everything it says they do is exactly what you are going to walk into....... you may know alot of this already, I just want to head off any tricks they are going to try to play on you...... the QUESTION you have before the court is SO VITAL to all of us - they have a thousand ways to side track you, which you may be aware of or not, but it is DANGEROUS to have a bar member in any way attached to your name.......

Another, safer way with this, that we sometimes tell familes we are helping , is let Susan have the "assistance of counsel" NOT signing her name over as represented, either, but then YOU stay completely away from any bar fly appendage. This works in the way that through her counsel, you can make them fork over the discovery (which is really all a bar member is good for, and they usually won't even do that for people !) Do you see the picture here? It is less risky for you ...... the other thing we are so desperately trying to teach people is to get away from the idea they think they need attorneys - always need more money and the next one will be a "good" attorney - it makes me sick to watch the rape in a courtroom now that I see their methods and operations and body language - bad actors, really, with way too much unbridled power - the attorneys - YOUR attorney, will work the system in their favor every time.... it is their system ! They designed it! They profit from it! They are disbarred if they confront it...... they wiill go into court and make these big facades, like even in the Supreme Court, but if you know what you are looking at they are keeping everyone in the peripheries, I call it.

They will make a record pontificating about an agnency , or going after some insurance fraud, or some big scandal that gets exposed - but they will NOT confront the SYSTEMIC corruption that is going on in the court at that moment - REAL TIME - that is what we have to do when we go in, Sui Juris. You are not sidetracked about all their accusations and blustering and lies, you are in the courtroom making the Record of how at that moment, in that court, with that judge, you are being denied your sovereignty as a Natural Person.....by their very actions at that moment, denying your Rights countless ways, and you outline this....... once you state these TRUTHS, they have to dispute your facts, or in any real world, YOU WIN !!! But this is the mad hatters tea party, and so they will retaliate against you for exposing them. Down the line are the issues that a Natural Person being free from government restrictions, fines and taxation, having commiitted no crime, is immune from government intervention. But when you are in the courtroom, it is REAL time that they will do everything to block you from stating your facts out loud, and that is the most important thing happening. That is why we tell people the Record is the only important thing happening in a courtroom, and the thing they will try to block the most - even arrest you for contempt sometimes (unlawfully) for insisting on SPEAKING on the Record. All that is really going on beyond the facade is the Record - you state facts, they have to dispute them - they state facts - you have to dispute them, and whatever statements in a courtroom are NOT disputed become FACT - even if they are outright lies. That is why the state will rarely speak any facts at all in a courtroom, and will say to you "I will not let you speak, I already have your paperwork", because there are all kinds of reports and stattements that the STATE has put in that casefile that you will never see unless you are Sui Juirs and getting your own documents. If you have an attorneys name even asssociated with yours in the court file, they will send your paperwork to the attornrey - NOT to you, and the communications, and all kinds of crap the attorney will not appraise you of. In this way, with YOUR attorneys assistance, (paid huge sums of money or indigent no different except some of the richer whores for the court pay off judges and that might work in some cases - no law involved) ....... all kinds of lies will become facts in the Record, and used against you...... you do not know they are there, the attorney did not let you speak when you knew things should have been disputed, he has not even read the paperwork if he even bothers to get discovery for you (most cases this is what we see exactly) and now you know why they do this, and it is intentional. Their goal is to make the system work and you and your children are the commodity.

Remember - only the Record goes up to the higher courts, and if your facts are not there, and the REAL questions to be answered, then there is nothing to use to appeal the judges order when he finds against you. Same on the suit you filed, same process no matter if you are the Defendant or the Plaintiff....... hope this helps, it is all so deceptive, and many people who are knowledgable and think they have a grip on it may still be seriously decieved. We have to be able to maneuver through this minefield - to run their gauntlet and survive he obstacles they throw in our path - their most successfull diversions only work if we do not recognize them WHEN we are in the coutrtroom, when it counts.

We tell people bottom line, if it is not in the Record , it is just not there. They have many reasons why they did not SPEAK in the courtroom, the judge would not allow it, the attorney said they could not speak, the attorney did not dispute adverse witnnesses, all kinds of ways they screw you, so the Record does not get made. But there is really no one to blame but yourself if you allow this game to go on as you are standing there coerced and threatened into silence. The judges are professional actors who throw you off and in the moment you are frustrated and confused, and then later you say "damn - I should have said this or that in response to his statement" or whateveer, you want to head off as much of this as possible, and NO attorney will assist you to confront the judge - the judge and the attorney, all bar members, will not lose their careers to confront a fellow bar member, especially the elitist whores on the federal courts who think they have immunity for life to be criminals.

In Oregon we have been through seven federal judges who refuse to uphold the Law in our own cases....... we have to be relentless and tell them the People are now taking back our authority, we allowed a corrupted bar agenda to usurp our sovereignty, and you go in and tell these actors in black robes on the Record that they are criminally violating your rights right there as you speak. '

The court and attorney game is "'don't irritate the court" and keep all the court procedures "quiet and mannerly", where even courtwatchers do not understand what they are looking at as the slick as owl crap exploitation happens right in front of you and you are the only one who is not an actor and the unsuspecting victim, even of your own attorneys schemes. Don't buy into it. Your skills as a psychotherapist must be a hoot watching these very bad actors trying to defend absolute lies. We find it really pathetic and they make fools of themselves ON THE RECORD.
pamela

In Oregon, if you look up the word Lawyer - there are none. You have to go to "attorneys". Attorn means to tear up, turn over - one who attorns the Law....... "Lawyer" is one who speaks Law in a courtroom. You are a Lawyer and a Sovereign in Your Own Right, with Inherent, Inalienable Rights given to you by God, your Creator,and protected by the Bill of Rights and the first ten amendments, which also restricts government from encroaching on those Inherent Rights. Your rights do not come from the government, as the 14th amendment made us all slaves with "priveleges" instead of Inherent Rights. "Implied Consent" is NO consent and we have only one contract, by birthright, to be protected as Sovereigns and afforded Constitutional Judicial Due Process and Remedy at Law for Redress of greivances. We have to all see these deceptions now in order to go into a courtroom and claim them by excercising them. Otherwise, the courts continue their terrorism, statutory rape and domestic violence against the sovereigns in the 50 states, united.